Not that i'm starting a new Weekly thing or anything, but i'm feeling quite freaked out. If you would PLEASE take the time to read the information i'm pasting into this blog. And then, please let me know if you already knew this stuff. Freaky Friday describes how i'm feeling this Friday: FREAKED out. Maybe it won't seem like such a big deal to you... but then, maybe you aren't awake or aware to the implications of The UNCRC (United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child) and/or the innumerable and escalating incidences of State sancioned child takings there have been lately. If you ARE aware/awake to those two things, specifically, and learn something new in the words that will follow, i'd REALLY appreciate it if you'd communicate with me about the connections you see and their implications. Please. i know it takes time to write to me in comment or via email, but i could really use some wise eyes/minds that are open and aware with whom to communicate about this info and it's implications! Thank you, in advance, for sharing your time with me!
The following is copied completely from this is the URL: http://www.thewomenwarriors.net/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=483
Once again, before you begin reading, please KNOW that i am NOT the originator of the following information. i have copied and pasted from the above site, which is a copy and paste from a PDF pages 10-12. The URL for the PDF is: http://www.teamlaw.org/Warn1.pdf
Thank you for reading and sharing with me!
Family Ties
My
sister-in-law lives in a very conservative Utah community wherein most of the
people place a stringent guard over the sacred union between husbands, wives,
and children.
Yet several years ago, in that community, my
sister-in-law’s natural born son came home from school shortly after he left in
the morning.
On his way to school he’d been beaten up by a bully and ran
home. His mother called the school to inform them that her son would not be to
school that day, relating the reason why. The receptionist said she’s have the
principal call in about a half hour because he was in a meeting that would last
that logn.
About 20 min. later, there was a knock at the door. It was
the principal. He demanded she bring her son to the door threatening that he
would call the police, have her arrested and declared an unfit mother if she
didn’t. Out of fear she got her son.
The principal said, ‘During school
hours you are not his mother or guardian, the state is his parent.’ The
principal then took her son back to school with him.
That day, my
sister-in-law went to the school board and filed the papers to allow her son to
be home schooled.
The next day she kept her son home and about an hour
after school started there was a knock at the door. It was the principal again
demanding entry. This time he had a social worker with him and he was intent on
having her whole family removed from her as an unfit mother.
She refused
their entry and showed the social worker the school board documents which proved
that the state determined she was competent sufficient to home school her son.
Disappointed by the fact the intruders left.
Two years later, in
Texas, my sister’s daughter was just starting First grade. Her father often
drove her to school and because he thought her classes started ten minutes later
than they did she was often tardy.
In that county a certain amount of
tardies equals an absence, and, if a person goes beyond a certain number of
absences the parent are subpoenaed with the child into the local court where
they are fined a minimum of $100.oo as if a crime had been committed. The court
has been recognized as having ‘state aurthorty’ to remove the children from the
family.
What’s going on?
How could the state have gained such power
over the people?
Over our children?
Or, are they our children?
Who
are we?
Where are we?
The answers to these questions are found in
history, logic, and Law.
They will surprise you. Marriage
In America,
people with children are usually married --- with a corporate state granted
marriage license.
Now, everybody knows that a license is “permission to
do something that would otherwise be illegal’; and,
Where Common Law
marriages are lawfully recognized in every state, it is not otherwise illegal
married without a license.
Remember how you first learned about common
law marriages. I was walking to school with a friend. A new family had just
moved into the neighborhood and my friend told me that they had a common law
marriage.
I asked, “What is that?”
My friend told me it meant
they had lived together in sin for over seven years, so now their marriage was
legal.
Most of us learned about marriage from parents, churches, or from
school. But, did we learn the whole truth?
The truth is that the seven
year rule is common law. It’s even Biblical. It’s a property law called the “Law
of Jubilee”, which says that every seven years (grand jubilee = 50 years) all
debts are forgiven, and whatever has been called something for seven years, or
more, is what it was called.
Though a responsibility in marriage is
proven by jubilee, that is not the limits of common law marriage.
Common
law marriage is defined by “agreement” and “consent”.
Jubilee proves the
existence of both agreement and consent, because if you haven’t contested the
union within seven years jubilee says you waived your right to contest it and
therefore you gave your consent by tacit admission.
In a common law
marriage the “agreement” is between the spouses to be, they must agree to be
married.
“Consent: comes from the father of the bride. He must agree to
give his daughter to the bridegroom.
Under common law, if a couple has
both agreement and consent they are married. That’s all there is to it.
The moment agreement and consent are in place the bride and groom are
married, and that marriage can then be lawfully consummated.
Marriage
often result in the creation of children. Children are created in the image of
God. Therefore such a union is sacred and often tied to a great deal of
ceremony, religion, pomp, and circumstance.
Now, back to the “License”.
Marriage
License
Whereas, “license” means permission to do that which
would otherwise be illegal’; and,
Whereas, it is not otherwise illegal
to be married under the law; and,
Whereas, the only other reason it
would be unlawful for two consenting adults to be married is if they ware
otherwise incompetent;
Therefore, if a couple goes to “the state” and
asks for the state a license, where there is no other reason for them to need a
license other than incompetence, in law, those requesting a license must be
incompetent because that is the only reason they could possibly need a license.
Now, one must ask, “When a bride and groom are incompetent to be married
without a state license and that state grants that license, Who is responsible
for the marriage?”
Answer: The grantor, the state.
Who is
responsible for anything created in such a license marriage?
Answer: The
grantor, the state.
And, what, typically, is the only thing “created” in
such a marriage?
Answer: Children.
So I ask you, “Who do the
children created in a state license marriage belong to?”
Answer: They
belong to the state.
Believe it, or not. Just check out the evidence:
Evidence #1 --- The state social services stand their authority on a
doctrine called “Parens Patria” which is Latin for “parent by the country”. In
modern usage parens patria is understood to mean “the state is the parent” [if
you’d like to see an in depth WARN report
on this doctrine let us know].
Evidence #2 --- When U.S. doctors deliver
chidren from the womb they are required to create a document known as a: Record
of Live Birth.
Is it given to you? No.
You’re given a: Birth
Certificate.
So what happens to the Record of Live Birth?
It’s sent to
the, “BUREAU OF VITAL STATISTICS”.
And what is that?
It is a
subdepartment of the “DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE”.
And, what is the, “DEPARTMENT
OF COMMERCE”.
It is where the U.S. keeps track of its possessions.
This
evidence indicated that the state is declaring the children as their possession
at birth.
Evidence #3 --- New statutes require hospitals to assign Social
Security Numbers to each child before birth, or without the natural parents
signature or permission. (read “Independence Day” in this issue)
Evidence #4
--- Why are each of the childbirth performing hospitals in the U.S. registered
as “Ports of Entry” into the U.S. when virtually none of them have incoming
foreigners?
Evidence #5 --- Birth records and Census reports are used as
collateral for U.S. loans and as proof of the subservient nature of the people
under control of the U.S. government.
It’s Scary.
It’s proof of the war.
It’s fulfillment of Biblical prophesy.
And, if we don’t do something to
change things we’ll have no promise from the King of Kings (other than
judgment).
First we learn what happened.
In times past, there
were no licenses of marriage except in cases where it was unlawful to otherwise
marry.
For example, Biblical Law forbids the intermarriage of races, so,
the statutes of this nation (which were based on Biblical law) prohibited
marriage between persons of different races. If a white person wanted to marry a
black or an Indian they were, by statute, required to get a license.
Marriage records were kept in family Bibles, then in the County Clerk
and Recorder’s offices. Statutes were created to allow anyone desiring a license
to obtain one. Churches were used to assist in getting people to use marriage
licenses as a manner or recording marriages. Over time people began to believe
the licenses were required by law, even though they were otherwise incompetent.
Now, remember, the promise given to Israel, was that if we maintain our
stewardship, we’ll inherit the earth.
Our stewardship starts with our
families. Isn’t it ironic that the document typically used to being a marriage
is the same document used by the corporate state to remove our children from us?
And nobody ever even warned us, because government employees were just doing
their jobs.
Whenever we discover we’ve erred, we can repent. The error
was asking the state of a marriage license.
Repenting includes fixing
the damage.
Some people would tell you that to remove the marriage
license you have to revoke or rescind your signature from the request for the
license.
However, as a matter of law, revoking or rescinding a signature
admits that you signed it in the first place.
What if you never signed
the request for license? Then there would be no license in existence.
In
contract law there is no signature if full disclosure is not given with
presentation of the agreement.
In the case of the marriage license, if
you used one, you were likely not informed that:
1. The grantor of the
license is a privately owned corporation;
2. licensing with them wasn’t
necessary for you to be married;
3. If you request a license from them you
were declaring yourself incompetent; and,
4. You were signing over
possession of your future children to them as collateral.
Therefore, if
1, 2, 3 and/or 4 above are true in your case then the contracting license is
void, without signature from the beginning.
So what about your marriage?
Legal & Lawful
Marriage
Well think about it. If the two of you want to get a
“required” license, you must have had agreement. And, if you had her fathers
blessing you had his consent and therefore under common law (and/or Biblical
Law) you were married without the license before the license was issued.
The churches rightfully want people to have “legal and lawful”
marriages.
A common law marriage is a “lawful” marriage, meaning it
fulfills law. The accent in the lawful marriage is the fact the parties of the
marriage have an agreement, they have the father’s consent, and they are bound
by their acceptance of, and consummation of, the marriage.
A “legal”
marriage indicated a written contract or marriage. The accent in the legal
marriage is the document that binds the marriage.
All you have to do to
make a lawful common law marriage a “legal and lawful” marriage is make a legal
record of the union made under common law.
In other words, if you
legally record your contract of marriage with the County Clerk and Recorder.
Such a record is a legal record and the common law marriage is both a lawful
fact and a matter of legal record, i.e. “legal and lawful”.
If your
original marriage agreement was verbal, you can later legally reduce it to
writing and make it binding from the first moment of your agreement and consent
by making your contract “nunc pro tune”, which means, “now as if then.”.
Knowing these things prior to marriage on some interesting questions
especially if you or the father of the bride have religious beliefs (like I do)
that cause you to desire to go through an ecclesiastic leader that may be
unaware of the truth and therefore believes that you have to have a state issued
marriage license.
The solution is simple.
If it was me, I would
obey the law.
With agreement and consent, I would:
Create a Notice
of Marriage stating that:
I and my spouse to be have an agreement to marry,
show that we have consent of the bride’s father, and, give notice of the
intended ceremony which when performed will bind, seal, and/or begin the
Marriage union. I would have all related parties sign the document.
I
would then go to the County Clerk and Recorder’s office and legally record the
Notice with the marriage licenses. I would then get a couple of state certified
copies of the Notice.
I would take a state certified copy to the
ecclesiastic leader as evidence of the legal right to lawfully marry.
In
Law your Notice has a greater authority than the state issued marriage license.
The authority you will be using is the authority of common law in original
jurisdiction, as was endowed upon man by birth. It is the same authority and
power that makes you sovereign. It follows law.
The Notice is in accord
with the laws of the individual states and is binding. Taking your Family back
This problem started many years ago. It wont’ be removed overnight. The
state took charge of our stewardships because we allowed them to.
People
are a great source of wealth. If the state can convince you that you are under
their control, as their asset or subject, then you won’t control them.
We are living with allege contractual bonds to parens patria, and we
have been doing so in condemnation for at least three generations. It’s time we
recognized the truth. It’s time to take responsibility for our families, our
stewardships, and our lives.
Removing the marriage license won’t remove
the entire problem in and of itself. It will, however, remove the foundation
upon which the state builds its entire “parents patria” doctrine.
With
the state’s foundation removed you’ve taken the first step to prepare for any
battle that may come up where the state attempts to use social workers, or other
forces, to interfere with your family.
You’ll be beginning to act like
the sovereign that you are.
If your marriage is not made under their
authority, they have no lawful right to interfere with your family unless you
invite them to.
Step two: Stop inviting them to solve your family
problems. Be self reliant.
It doesn’t’ mean that they won’t ever
interfere. It does mean that if they do you’ve disarmed their #1 weapon.
You’ll need to learn more and to prepare to turn back any attack they
bring against you, but foundationally you’ll be ready.
Even after we
resolve our marriages, the problem is that the system that set up the parens
patria system of control still exists and government officials still want us to
believe we are their incompetent servants. We need to solve that problem by
eliminating the incompetence. Thus:
Step three: You’re sovereign and
therefore you’re responsible, so start acting like it. Learn the Law --- Obey
and apply it, and when others trespass against you or yours, mercifully and
justly hold them accountable to their trespasses. Accountability is the key.
If you’ll do it you’ll be well on the path to true freedom and liberty,
and we’ll get our nation back.
Team Law can help.
That’s why
we’re here, to help people wake up and learn the law. Re-tie Family Ties
Typically for about the same reasons we had the marriage license problem
we have the problem or raising our children in that same system that taught us
that we needed to have the marriage license. That system that wanted us to be
incompetent workers providing all of the “government’s needs”, believing that
the “government” was supposed to provide our needs. When in reality we are
responsible for providing all of our own needs and government’s responsibility
is to insure that our rights and property aren’t trespassed.
The
question is, “What are we allowing that system to teach our children?”
You don’t have to take your children out of the public school system.
Though many have, successfully.
Within the public school system you do
have to take an active part.
At the very least pay attention to what
your children are learning.
I’m not talking about the school’s alleged
subject matter. I’m talking about the public school’s end results: drugs,
immorality, and crime.
You decide what’s best of your children. After
all, ultimately, when it comes time for you to stand accountable for your
stewardship, you won’t be able to blame the school for the outcome.
After all, you are the sovereign.
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Saturday, July 21, 2012
A Gush Inspired by Another Blogger
So, July 19, 2012 I was reading a few new blogs as I entered my own blog into some "parties" and felt inspired by many of them. While reading one particular post, though, I felt an absolute need... urging from the Holy Spirit, to do a little gushing of my own on my blog.
We've had our downs and some good ups. Lots of downs, unfortunately, have been really recent. And though I have not shared details, those in my day-to-day life have been all too aware that I have been having a difficult time dealing with whatever it is I've had to deal with (this is prior to the spontaeous abortion). Anyway, I know I've shared it before, but it's pertinent here because of some of my reasons for this post.
One reason I'm going to share what I share in a moment is because I'm striving to feed the good wolf in me. I recognize that the evil one will always live, but I'd rather it survive in a state of starvation. So... here we go!
This post is me gushing about what is good about my man. He is a good man. He, too, has duality of wolves within... but I've already openly acknoweldged my imperfection. I must also accept his and we can move on together in peace after we come to acceptance of our humanity! ^_^
FIRST GUSH
Our kiddos get to be child of the week. This is pertinent because while they do look forward to "their week" for all of the perks (like they get to say most of the prayers for the family for the whole week, they get to choose their seat for the week, and if there is something else that arises that is sort of special they might get precedence in the position of "honor" or some such nonsense). This practice has eliminated untold amounts of bickering in our home and I LOVE that about it!!! But for all the reasons that they love it, their most favorite... the reason they talk about for days leading up to and the rest of the week after is the fact that "their week" means they get to go on a Daddy Daughter Date. (Jmy hasn't entered the official calendar yet, but I know the need is growing.)
Jessie takes the children along while he runs errands. While this might not sound like a wonderful date, the girls LOVE it! They love shopping in any and all forms (can they be mine??!!) and spending time with Daddy while they get to shop... well, that's just the tippy tippy top of "best of" for them! ^_^ And Jess makes their time special. There is a special pad of paper in his car that they get to use to write while they drive. He gives them his iPod to listen to if they want. They can chat away if that's what they prefer. And they LOVE all of it!
I know Jess enjoys this time with our girls. But I also know that he enjoys time on his own, too... and grocery shopping used to be (before we began these DDDs over 6 months ago) some time he would get to be on his own and not have to be at work. I'm so unbelievably grateful for the sacrifice of alone time he makes to grant our girls time with him!
Second Gush
I have been rather down a LOT more than normal for me. While my strength is returning (since the spontaneous abortion), it is slow going. I'm sure if I'd started out a fit female, I would be fine by now. But I am what I am... extra fluffy... and some gastro-intestinal problems on top. So, it is what it is as a result.
Jessie has been super wonderful through the two weeks of bleeding and since then. He's not fussin' about the clutter. He's not griping that the rabbits area hasn't been cleaned up. He IS, for the most part, being very kind and uncomplaining. And that makes a HUGE difference in my book because I feel baddly enough about not managing things well as my body heals.
And the other day... he took the broom from my hands and began sweeping. THAT has NEVER happened before! And what a blessing to me that he did such a thing! Of course, I got the other broom and set to work elsewhere (twice the hands, half the time at work)... but it was just WONDERFUL to feel his love in such a way!
Third Gush
I won't go in to detail on this one. But I don't need to. For, you see, the primary reason for this whole post is for my man to know that I see. That ICU, JessieWho, is still true.
This special acronym (ICU) means a great deal to me... and, I hope, my fella. When we were dating, I had an idea (I was not going to church, so it seemed pretty unique and romantic to me) from a Chicken Soup for the Soul book to have a sort of motto for our relationship. So, I came up with "I Choose You." The acronym for it: ICU has a double meaning. First, of course, it is an literal acronym for I Choose You. But it is also a phrase of meaning in and of iteself. It also means: "i see(C) you(U)."
This is important. Because in relationships, we can all too easily either only see our spouse as an extension of ourself (flesh of my flesh) or through tinted 'glasses' that do not reveal who THEY are, but who we think they are because of our own life's experiences... or who we want them to be because of expectations of what marriage means, etc. "ICU" is a promise we made to keep choosing each other, come what may, AND to work to see each other for who we each are. This is, of course, in opposition to the seeing him as an extension of who I am or who I would like him to be.
So, Jessie, I see the changes you are working to make. I see and feel the differences. I am so grateful. Keep on keepin' on. Please. I will, too. K? ICU. Love, Your Girl Forever.
We've had our downs and some good ups. Lots of downs, unfortunately, have been really recent. And though I have not shared details, those in my day-to-day life have been all too aware that I have been having a difficult time dealing with whatever it is I've had to deal with (this is prior to the spontaeous abortion). Anyway, I know I've shared it before, but it's pertinent here because of some of my reasons for this post.
One reason I'm going to share what I share in a moment is because I'm striving to feed the good wolf in me. I recognize that the evil one will always live, but I'd rather it survive in a state of starvation. So... here we go!
Jessie!
This post is me gushing about what is good about my man. He is a good man. He, too, has duality of wolves within... but I've already openly acknoweldged my imperfection. I must also accept his and we can move on together in peace after we come to acceptance of our humanity! ^_^
FIRST GUSH
Our kiddos get to be child of the week. This is pertinent because while they do look forward to "their week" for all of the perks (like they get to say most of the prayers for the family for the whole week, they get to choose their seat for the week, and if there is something else that arises that is sort of special they might get precedence in the position of "honor" or some such nonsense). This practice has eliminated untold amounts of bickering in our home and I LOVE that about it!!! But for all the reasons that they love it, their most favorite... the reason they talk about for days leading up to and the rest of the week after is the fact that "their week" means they get to go on a Daddy Daughter Date. (Jmy hasn't entered the official calendar yet, but I know the need is growing.)
Jessie takes the children along while he runs errands. While this might not sound like a wonderful date, the girls LOVE it! They love shopping in any and all forms (can they be mine??!!) and spending time with Daddy while they get to shop... well, that's just the tippy tippy top of "best of" for them! ^_^ And Jess makes their time special. There is a special pad of paper in his car that they get to use to write while they drive. He gives them his iPod to listen to if they want. They can chat away if that's what they prefer. And they LOVE all of it!
I know Jess enjoys this time with our girls. But I also know that he enjoys time on his own, too... and grocery shopping used to be (before we began these DDDs over 6 months ago) some time he would get to be on his own and not have to be at work. I'm so unbelievably grateful for the sacrifice of alone time he makes to grant our girls time with him!
Second Gush
I have been rather down a LOT more than normal for me. While my strength is returning (since the spontaneous abortion), it is slow going. I'm sure if I'd started out a fit female, I would be fine by now. But I am what I am... extra fluffy... and some gastro-intestinal problems on top. So, it is what it is as a result.
Jessie has been super wonderful through the two weeks of bleeding and since then. He's not fussin' about the clutter. He's not griping that the rabbits area hasn't been cleaned up. He IS, for the most part, being very kind and uncomplaining. And that makes a HUGE difference in my book because I feel baddly enough about not managing things well as my body heals.
And the other day... he took the broom from my hands and began sweeping. THAT has NEVER happened before! And what a blessing to me that he did such a thing! Of course, I got the other broom and set to work elsewhere (twice the hands, half the time at work)... but it was just WONDERFUL to feel his love in such a way!
Third Gush
I won't go in to detail on this one. But I don't need to. For, you see, the primary reason for this whole post is for my man to know that I see. That ICU, JessieWho, is still true.
This special acronym (ICU) means a great deal to me... and, I hope, my fella. When we were dating, I had an idea (I was not going to church, so it seemed pretty unique and romantic to me) from a Chicken Soup for the Soul book to have a sort of motto for our relationship. So, I came up with "I Choose You." The acronym for it: ICU has a double meaning. First, of course, it is an literal acronym for I Choose You. But it is also a phrase of meaning in and of iteself. It also means: "i see(C) you(U)."
This is important. Because in relationships, we can all too easily either only see our spouse as an extension of ourself (flesh of my flesh) or through tinted 'glasses' that do not reveal who THEY are, but who we think they are because of our own life's experiences... or who we want them to be because of expectations of what marriage means, etc. "ICU" is a promise we made to keep choosing each other, come what may, AND to work to see each other for who we each are. This is, of course, in opposition to the seeing him as an extension of who I am or who I would like him to be.
So, Jessie, I see the changes you are working to make. I see and feel the differences. I am so grateful. Keep on keepin' on. Please. I will, too. K? ICU. Love, Your Girl Forever.
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Thursday, July 5, 2012
On Trust, Love and Marriage
Something I've Seen on Facebook:Trust doesn't come with a refill. Once it's gone, you probably won't get it back, and if you do; it will never be the same! And that's a fact!
Very Close to My Actual Response to the Above:
true. yet we must all be courageous and mature enough to realize, understand and truly learn (thus live) the additional truth that love and trust are not mutually exclusive. They exist as seperate, though intrinsically connected, entities. However, one can continue when the other is destroyed. And marriages can be maintained on love or trust alone. It is best and easiest when both are possible, but not necessary.
Additional Thoughts I Desire to Share Here:
So, who said you have to trust your man (or woman) to be able to have a positive and beneficial union? I have completely rejected this fallacious premise. You see, although I know trust is AWESOME to have and would love to feel it, I have been through too much to give it right now. It can be earned. But once broken too many times, it can truly become un-put-back-together-able... or take so much time to re-exist that it seems like it's not possible to have it again. At least, this is my current experience.
Does having reason to distrust my man mean that I cannot love him and build a good marriage with him? Well, most people would say that this is absolutely true. I disagree. Does it make life more difficult, to not trust your spouse? Certainly. It just does. That's part of the package when mistrust enters (for good reason or imagined). Just for the record, my reasons for distrust would overfill a VERY large... hmmmm... a very large something-or-other. VERY large. And they are not created or enlarged... these are actual reasons.
Does this mean that Chef Jessie is a bad person? Absolutely not! He's actually a model of honesty and integrity with everyone other than me. Does that hurt, yepper-y-sir-it-sure-do! But do I focus on that stuff? Nope. Sure don't. The mistrust IS always there. But I do not focus on it, you see. It's like anything negative... any problem any of us have... it's always there... that addiction to chocolate, or cigarettes... or that short fuse that, when burned results in overmuch anger... or that problem with mean thoughts... or that desire to spend, spend, spend... or the need to exercise so much that one becomes obsessed to the exclusion of all else that is important. You see, anything can become a problem if we focus overmuch on it. Even good stuff!
Anyway... back to my point.
Things are not perfect. They never will be because Jess and I are both... MORTAL. We're human. Problems are part and parcel of this experience called Life. Like I keep finding myself saying to my girls, "It's easy to be a problem maker. It's easy to see something that needs to be or could be done and come up with all the problems to prevent you from getting anywhere with it. But we don't need to do what's easy. We need to be problem solvers. Not problem makers!"
How does that pertain? Well, it does because I don't trust my man. Do I allow this problem to get in the way of positive interactions with my man? Nope. Do I allow this problem I have with him prevernt me from strengthening bonds through physical means, including affection, hand-holding, and otherwise? No-siree-bob. Sure don't. Do I allow the lack of trust I feel toward my husband to turn into a belief that I don't love my husband? Okay... well, on this one I feel Led to disclose a bit. When I first learned about a long period of lies... well, I did confuse love with trust. I did think that if he was untrustworthy, then I couldn't love him. Honestly, I did. But I learned, from something I read somewhere (sorry I cannot recall where or even specifically what brought about the epiphany), that trust and love are not the same. One can exist without the other. Is it optimal? Is it a preference to have either without the other. No. And no. But that doesn't mean it is BAD to continue on with only one of those virtues existant in a marriage.
I believe that marriage is worth more than a "need" for complete trust AND/OR love. If I could trust Jessie, but felt like I didn't love him, I would stay married to him. Because I know that I can choose to love him again. The same is true about trust. I could choose to trust him right now. I will not because I just will not. Not right now. I'm just not strong enough to go down that road again right now. But I also accept that I can love him, build a stronger marriage with him and have good experiences with him without trust. Now... if communication went down the drain along with the trust... I'm not so sure I could hang on terribly long (been there, don't work so hot!). But love and communication truly can provide a reasonably good foundation for a marriage... or a good crack-fixer-upper if the foundation has been cracked or messed up in some bigger way by the realization of untrustworthiness.
At least, I believe this is true as a result of experiences in my own life.

my Man: Chef Jessie
P.S.
I do agree that if trust is rebuilt, it simply never ever is the same. How could it be?!!?
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Very Close to My Actual Response to the Above:
true. yet we must all be courageous and mature enough to realize, understand and truly learn (thus live) the additional truth that love and trust are not mutually exclusive. They exist as seperate, though intrinsically connected, entities. However, one can continue when the other is destroyed. And marriages can be maintained on love or trust alone. It is best and easiest when both are possible, but not necessary.
Additional Thoughts I Desire to Share Here:
So, who said you have to trust your man (or woman) to be able to have a positive and beneficial union? I have completely rejected this fallacious premise. You see, although I know trust is AWESOME to have and would love to feel it, I have been through too much to give it right now. It can be earned. But once broken too many times, it can truly become un-put-back-together-able... or take so much time to re-exist that it seems like it's not possible to have it again. At least, this is my current experience.
Does having reason to distrust my man mean that I cannot love him and build a good marriage with him? Well, most people would say that this is absolutely true. I disagree. Does it make life more difficult, to not trust your spouse? Certainly. It just does. That's part of the package when mistrust enters (for good reason or imagined). Just for the record, my reasons for distrust would overfill a VERY large... hmmmm... a very large something-or-other. VERY large. And they are not created or enlarged... these are actual reasons.
Does this mean that Chef Jessie is a bad person? Absolutely not! He's actually a model of honesty and integrity with everyone other than me. Does that hurt, yepper-y-sir-it-sure-do! But do I focus on that stuff? Nope. Sure don't. The mistrust IS always there. But I do not focus on it, you see. It's like anything negative... any problem any of us have... it's always there... that addiction to chocolate, or cigarettes... or that short fuse that, when burned results in overmuch anger... or that problem with mean thoughts... or that desire to spend, spend, spend... or the need to exercise so much that one becomes obsessed to the exclusion of all else that is important. You see, anything can become a problem if we focus overmuch on it. Even good stuff!
Anyway... back to my point.
Things are not perfect. They never will be because Jess and I are both... MORTAL. We're human. Problems are part and parcel of this experience called Life. Like I keep finding myself saying to my girls, "It's easy to be a problem maker. It's easy to see something that needs to be or could be done and come up with all the problems to prevent you from getting anywhere with it. But we don't need to do what's easy. We need to be problem solvers. Not problem makers!"
How does that pertain? Well, it does because I don't trust my man. Do I allow this problem to get in the way of positive interactions with my man? Nope. Do I allow this problem I have with him prevernt me from strengthening bonds through physical means, including affection, hand-holding, and otherwise? No-siree-bob. Sure don't. Do I allow the lack of trust I feel toward my husband to turn into a belief that I don't love my husband? Okay... well, on this one I feel Led to disclose a bit. When I first learned about a long period of lies... well, I did confuse love with trust. I did think that if he was untrustworthy, then I couldn't love him. Honestly, I did. But I learned, from something I read somewhere (sorry I cannot recall where or even specifically what brought about the epiphany), that trust and love are not the same. One can exist without the other. Is it optimal? Is it a preference to have either without the other. No. And no. But that doesn't mean it is BAD to continue on with only one of those virtues existant in a marriage.
I believe that marriage is worth more than a "need" for complete trust AND/OR love. If I could trust Jessie, but felt like I didn't love him, I would stay married to him. Because I know that I can choose to love him again. The same is true about trust. I could choose to trust him right now. I will not because I just will not. Not right now. I'm just not strong enough to go down that road again right now. But I also accept that I can love him, build a stronger marriage with him and have good experiences with him without trust. Now... if communication went down the drain along with the trust... I'm not so sure I could hang on terribly long (been there, don't work so hot!). But love and communication truly can provide a reasonably good foundation for a marriage... or a good crack-fixer-upper if the foundation has been cracked or messed up in some bigger way by the realization of untrustworthiness.
At least, I believe this is true as a result of experiences in my own life.

P.S.
I do agree that if trust is rebuilt, it simply never ever is the same. How could it be?!!?
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